One thought: Jews themselves didn't allow women or nonbelievers into the central temple courtyard.

Another thought: "(Discipline) is not attended by arrogance, haughtiness or any other such unscriptural attitudes, which would make him as guilty as the one with whom he is refusing fellowship. It cannot "backfire" unless the person withholding fellowship is in sin himself, and his hypocrisy is exposed." That sounds like it could be applied to preaching. Many people have tried to say that Daniel doesn't have the maturity of Bro Jed, and yet it sounds like Bro Jed also calls individual people bad things, as did Bro Cope, using the excuse of "discernment" which Chris is using currently on Daniel's Place. So Daniel is convinced he can do it, too. (Refer to what Just a girl on Daniel's Place has explained reactions she felt to Daniel's preaching.)

It seems like when you try to pin Smock and disciples down about personal attacks, they'll first try the explanation that "heathens" aren't brothers anyway; then if you say that you can only be hard on lapsed brothers , oops, then zappo, they become brothers and need reproachment. There never seems to be an emphasis on discipline BY THE PREACHERS. But what Observer does promise is that the preacher lacking it will be exposed. I'm not sure of that, but I'm sure if the main gratification is to himself, that he doesn't help what he's trying to promote, or win anyone to it. And that goes for any cause, not just religious ones. How much respect do any of us give people who lack self-discipline (the hard kind)? The hard kind, by the way, isn't "look at me. My hobby is mountain climbing. I sweat and I go to the gym and I hang out with climbers and I don't care what outsiders think, I'm trying to impress my own peers." No, it's more like "My mother needs me to take her to see grandma at the nursing home and I will have to cancel my ------(fill in blank) today." It is NOT: "I am really frustrated with you because you don't instantly acquiese to my assertions." It IS: "I will respect you as a person and try to behave myself in a way that will leave a positive impression on you and offer you some food for thought.....Attacking is something any child can do and I will refrain from it so that you won't react with mind-befuddling adrenalin, but will think later that you'd like to investigate this thing that an impressive person who embodies temperance and patience has found to be a source of strength and meaning in his own life." That kind of discipline.