While I generally agree with From Afar on many things, you continue to mix us up in this discussion. I never said anything about souls and airports! I think you have mistaken things FA has said and attributed them to me several times in this thread.

on the foster care seatbelt issue. Yes, I would have said that the kids should not have been allowed to ride in that unsafe car. They were getting poisoned from the exhaust! Seatbelts have been proven to save lives, so yes, they should have enforced that. It is a law. I think the visit should not have involved transporting children in an unsafe vehicle--they can see their folks, but not ride in that car.

I never said that MERE overpopulation is cause for poverty! I'm just saying that it doesn't make sense to have children when you have no way to support them! C'mon, look at Ethiopia, Samalia, etc. where war and famine are rampant; look at the children starving to death by the truck load, and tell me that it blesses a person, let alone God, to intentionally bring babies into that mess. This is just common sense, Quillers, and you are resisting it. I think YOU protest too much. I know you have six kids, and I'm assuming that like most Americans, you were middle class when you raised them or are still raising them. YOu prob. have had to tighten the purse strings at times to get by. I believe you are being defensive because you have personally been criticised for having so many kids. I'm not critisizing you, so you don't need to be defensive with me. I'm not saying that ALL large families ride around in wretched vans doping up their kids on exhaust fumes. What I am saying is that PEOPLE WHO CAN'T PROVIDE BASIC NECESITIES FOR THEIR CHILDREN SHOULD NOT CONTINUE TO ADD THEM TO THEIR FAMILY! IT ISN'T FAIR! It isn't fair to the kid, the children that more attention and what little resources exist will have to share, or the citizens who have to pay taxes that support food stamps for chronic users. I have no problem with my taxes going to food stamps, head start, or housing subsidies, for those who eventually get off these programs. But for those who do not, who continue to have children that I have to support with my tax dollars, well, I think they should stop planning on having tons of kids and justifying it. GOD DOES NOT WANT US TO BE POOR. HE WANTS TO BLESS US WITH MATERIAL WEALTH! IT IS OURS TO CLAIM.

God isn't going to bless stupidity. We have technology to produce birth control and free birth control, lets use it!


Back to this car thing. I don't care what age a car is, how it looks on the outside. Is it safe? THIS is the issue. Are there enough seat-belts for everyone? Will there be noxious fumes kids will inhale? If so, take a bus! I don't understand why you are taking such issue with it!

Be honest. Are you having a bad week? Stressed? Tired?
You are usually much more patient and pedantic than you have been of late.