You're finding some good olde threads and yes that makes sense.

I know this is a bit off tangent but I reglazed over the earlier post to get reoriented again, and there is something in the early part that reminds me of a debate that become prominent later...and maybe it should be a separate thread. But I said the anti-birth control argument reminded me of an image of a crowd of souls at some "prebirth" airport waiting for a flight, and it can lead to bad logic on the ordinary life side of things. Then QP said (roughtly) he didn't mean God had so much a specific PLAN, but that he was talking about the DESIRE of God.

Then I know on brojed. org he has opposed stem cell research with the surplus embryos of fertility clinics (actually they're not that developed but I forgot the proper word).

OK now, these were produced by artifically "pumping" them out with fertility drugs. The idea that they are sort of destined to become full human beings and cannot therefore be used for research I supposed could be opposed just because it may desensitize us. I'm not sure sufferers of diseases they hold promise for would agree, but that's not my connection here. What I DO NOT think is logical, is to talk about them being "denied life" when they were going to be discarded anyway. To get back to the airport metaphor, there are not a bunch of empty idling planes being denied "passengers" who need an escape route, so that we ought to let them board. THERE ARE NO 'WAITING AND WILLING WOMBS' and there never were. It's a problem of not seeing the whole picture including the intrinsic necessity of a woman's participation that cannot be forced without also becoming rather brutal.

The 'desire of God" can be a tricky thing to use, as it is always still housed inside of human interpretation. Did God not give us brains to solve infertility problems even if it does raise these questions? Was perhaps the embedded possibility of discovering stem cells to cure certain diseases not in fact also put there in the potential of stem cells by the same God? Did God want us to eventually invent microscopes and solve diseases or did he make bacteria and viruses very tiny so that we should not know them - hence we are already "playing with fire" because we are getting into high population numbers and we should have been dying at much higher rates to stay in ecological balance? What is one person's "Godsend" can be someone else's "forbidden fruit."